Patty Reed’s Doll

Chapter Two Discussion

I know I am behind, but was looking for a good idea for a covered wagon, that would also be kid friendly to make with my grandson who is 6. Check out this site.. I am going to round up everything, and improvise where needed.. We will make one today.. That is if everything goes as planned..Now to get busy..Will check in with my chapter 2 input in a little while..

 

 Link below to covered wagon.. Has anyone else made one?
http://www.looledo.com/index.php/milk-carton-covered-wagon.html

 

Tina, I don't think your behind. We have only begun the 2nd chapter and I for one have not started my covered wagon.

 

The wagon is really cool.It looked easy, but I know if I tried to make one it would be

lop-sided or something.  Hope someone makes one and sends pictures.I am going to read

 the second and third chapters again today,  I know I have forgot something.

 

The second chapter is short and it is about the first night out. They really are more like camping out than going pioneering this first night. One paragraph in particular mentions that the cook Eliza is making dinner in the palace car just like home. They all had a great time around the bonfire! The family is still trying to get grandma to stay behind, but again she refuses to budge from the pioneering group.

The third chapter is where the trip really begins. They experienced the rain and driving through the muddy roads. Dolly was with Patty all the time while the other dolls were packed away. The twosome visited the Donner girls to play "dolls". The chapter ends with a skeeter attack where Patty tells Dolly that she is lucky her face is wood so she can't be bit. ha ha
I am enjoying rereading this story with you all!Happy pioneering!

 

I know--if only they knew it wasn't going to be all that easy!  I can't imagine when it got rainy and nasty, trying to still forge ahead in the mud and mosquitoes!

 

I just have a quick minute.. I have been gathering things to work on my covered wagon, and also wanted to get on and see about the chatter about the chapters just read.

I enjoyed reading the first 3 chapters, and with playing catchup, I just want to say, so far, as mentioned, it doesn't seem so awlful bad.. But with knowing about this story beyond this book.. I am hoping it doesn't get too bad from Dolly's eyes. I was amazed also, with that the wagons were in a circle and then men slept in the middle of the wagons.. Hum.. Wonder if they would be facing out under the wagons or not? Saftey says someone needed to be on the outter parts.. Okay, gotta get up and get busy.. I will try to get back in after while..

 

Since the trip began in April the weather and the spring day may have been like today....

I had fun creating some items for the activities our mods came up with! If you would like to see my Patty Reed doll - "Dolly" with her shawl on and with her pillows or with her sunbonnet on click here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hittygirls/photos/album/1775130138/pic/list

 

Tammie, She is adorable.. Love everything. I am in a rush still, but will definitely have to go back and drool over the photos again.Thanks for sharing her and her things.

 

The wagons are not long out of Springfield when they halt They set up camp and several people from the city visit them. The whole scene is like a big church picnic. It really doesn't appear that they really understand how hard this trip will be. Of course we the readers have the benefit of hind sight.

 

Pauline--you hit the nail on the head!  It IS like a giant Church picnic!  sharing and playing, kids running around--!

 

I felt for poor Patty when They were attacked by those Mosketters.

 

When I read about the clothespin Dollie challenge I just couldn't wait. I've finished my first one - her picture is in the Patty Reed folder. I cheated and kept her legs all one piece because a little doll stands better that way. Her arms are jointed "properly" at the elbows, but I've used elastic on the shoulders and hips and as "pegs" on the elbows because it's more forgiving at that scale than little pegs would be. I also cheated a bit by extending her torso so her hips would be in the right place. Those clothespins are a little short in the crotch!She has not gotten any clothing yet, poor thing. Fortunately, modesty is no part of her constitution. Cheers!

 

Oh my, TC - she's wonderful, though I would expect nothing less from you.  She looks very happy, and I really love her little boots.  So I guess I should just stop what I was doing on a clothespin here (LOL).  I'll NEVER live up to that.  Wow.  It's great to have people like you so that I have role models, even if I can never live up to your abilities.  At least it's something to strive for.  Thanks for sharing her.

 

Happy, she's so simple! Just make a button nose and sand the rest down. I almost didn't make lips because the mouths are generally just painted onto those peg woodens... but I'm such a bad painter that I had to resort to the knife. She's not really supposed to have ears, either. On the original the hair covers the ears.I found the hardest thing was doing the hands that way. I really like them, though. They're simple but sturdy and quite graceful compared to the little spades my former clothespin dolls had to suffer.Thanks for being so complimentary but the BEST fun is seeing everyone's interpretation. I can't wait to see what everyone else will do.

 

Well she is the cutest little thing, and obviously delighted to kick up her pretty blue heels. Is that all one clothespeg?  Looking at a face like hers would certainly be very encouraging during hard times.

 

The body and legs are from one clothespin. I had to use a small dowel for the arms. There's just not enough wood on a single clothes peg to make the entire doll. Even the legs are a bit skinny, in my opinion.

 

TC, your clothespin dollie is a beauty!  Thanks for sharing her photo.  That type of jointing at the elbows in that size is definitely a challenge

 

TC, your doll is just darling! I must see if I can find the clothespins I have put away for the time when I have time to do something with them. Perhaps this is the very thing I can try. But it's discouraging to see what you've come up with....no way can I get anything that cute! I can only try, though.

 

There is so little carving in this head that it's all about proportion and paint. I'm sure you can do something wonderful. I'm going to try another with covered ears and a simpler face. I'm attempting to get closer to the spirit of Patty's doll. Forgery is not my specialty.

 

It's my understanding that Patty's doll had blue shoes.  I didn't see any formal documentation of that but all the "copies" I've seen have had blue shoes.  I'd be very interested in hearing any evidence of color either way.

 

 

I have found my clothespin, a feat in itself. And no way can I see a doll in this! Did you fill in with wood putty to "extend" the torso so the clothespin cut is not up to her armpits???

 

I have a rather less than perfect photo of her shoes that I will post in the Patty Reed album. They are indeed blue.

 

Part of the trick is picking one that has the most "body" you can find. Having said that, however, the body can be "extended" by gluing on another piece of wood, if necessary. I allowed JJ to mix my blue, therefore they are a bit more turquoise than blue but, considering the other liberties we took, they are still in keeping with the SPIRIT of the thing!  I pegged a bit of dowel into the bottom of her torso... then I flattened the sides, then drilled it for the leg string.

 

I'm now hard at work on a second one. The first has too much face and too little hair to be a very good "likeness" of Patty Reed's doll. I'm part way through the face on the second one, but the mouth is giving me fits. Patty's doll has no visible mouth and yet, it doesn't seem to be missing. I wonder how they did that!

 

TC, do you use a gouge to make the 'slot' for those pegged arms? I believe that is what I had been told by a certain carver from Arkansas.

 

The slot was so tiny that I couldn't get any of MY gouges in there. Certain carvers from Arkansas can do miracles with gouges. I, however, used a drill (to form the bottom of the slot), a saw (to cut down to the bottom of the slot), a detail knife (to cut the slot sides down until they were parallel and the right distance apart, and sandpaper to get rid of any "slot fuzz".

 

You aren't kidding about the tiny features!
I've just finished a minimal mouth (although there's no discernible mouth in the photograph of the actual doll, mine just looked funny without one). Now I'm wondering about the eyebrows.
Patty's doll doesn't seem to have eyebrows. I'm wondering if I should leave them off, as well. I guess it's time to research dolls of the period.  What a fun project this is!

 

Hi Gale,

I simply LOVE your new/old gal. She is precious. Her face has the sweetest expression (love that button nose) and she's a perfect "Dolly"! Her dress is lovely and her bonnet is also. Great job!!

Thanks for the pretty view - your talent amazes me.

 

I was looking at the photos of Patty's doll. Is it just me or does it appear that her left arm is painted into a fixed position?

 

I think I can see where you are looking, TC, but I'm thinking it is just "splattered" paint. although quite heavily around that joint.  There are paint splatters in the "bicep" area on both upper arms also.  As old as she is, those joints most likely don't work very well anyway!  

 

I really want my dolls to be "playable". I understand that it's not a universal requirement... but it's something I think important.

 

Did those of you who have worked on/completed a clothespin doll find the pins very hard to carve? I was just wondering because when I was teaching, I asked my DH to cut some clothespins for me. The kids were making deer from them. DH complained that they were really hard to cut. I suppose that it would depend on the type of wood.

 

I think the pins are usually birch--not the easiest to carve, and of course, the small size doesn't help!

 

Many clothespins are made from ash.  It is hard to carve.  But you don't have to remove much wood on a doll that small.

 

I know iff I was Patty and had your dolly in my pocket I would be able to ride to California.  She has such a comforting face.  Makes you feel good just looking at her.

 

I've carved a couple of clothes pins that were antiques, and they were definitely hard as rocks.  The pins that are made to be used for dolls are much easier to carve.  I think old wood can just get hard sometimes.

 

The ones I got from Michaels are about as hard to carve as basswood... In other words, not hard.

 

Well, all this carving clothespins made me curious to see what it was like to work on one. I have my mom's old clothespin bag with her clothespins. Most were clips, but I found a round one. On it was a picture of a face that I had drawn as a kid to surprise my mom. I couldn't believe it! So, I'm trying to carve a little one, but am keeping the drawn face. I've got one arm to finish plus some shoes. I'm not sure how I'll get the holes drilled. My husband usually does that for me. He broke his middle toe at the base of it this afternoon and is hobbling around in crutches. So, it may be a while until you see her again. Here are my pictures (I'll post them in the album, too).

 

know what both Judy brown and Jeff scott make a great Dollie.  Try the Sutter Fort museum in Texas.  It might be pictured on their web site.  I think ????the doll pictured in the book I have( 1981 with the yellow cover) is actually the one carved by Sherman Smith as he made some of them that were sold at the Museum I guess .  they have blue green shoes.  I have another copy of the book here and that has photo of real doll but doll   is pretty destressed. Wonder if it is the early ones that has the heavy gesso paint.

 

Your clothespin doll is adorable, and I think it's precious that you had drawn the face. Hobby Lobby sells a little hand drill that cost less than $5 when I got mine. It's great for drilling little stuff.

 

I have an antique doll who is a bit over six inches tall and looks like she might be related to Dolly.Her shoes are blue as well... maybe it was a fashion to have blue pumps in those days.

TC, She is very pretty.. And even resembles Dolly.. I am thinking blue shoes must of been the thing way back.. LOL.. Wonder if that is where the song came from Blue Suede Shoes...lol..

Thanks for sharing her with us..

 

She does look a lot like Dolly. Is her hair in the same Jenny Lind style? Thanks for sharing her with us.

I don’t know about that as all my antique  ones have black shoes.  so I would think blue would be special.  

 

I am not sure why all ????his Dolly dolls have that pretty aqua shoe. but they do have the bun also so they are easy to spot in a tray of Smiths.  

 

 

A dental mound is the way the teeth make the lips push out below the nose. When people lose their teeth they also lose their dental mound.

 

"Milliners' Models" type dolls of the period had leather bodies with wooden lower arms and legs (very similar to this wooden) and they often had red or blue shoes, as well as black.

 

Today my clothespin kit arrived! I am not a carver and I have been wanting to try some ideas I saw from a Doreen Sinnett booklet from 1980 which shows how to add clay accents to make various clothespin dolls. This was so much fun, I added clay shoes, arms (on pipe cleaners) and added clay to Dolly's face and for her hair and bun. On the face I added a nose and shaped her eye sockets a bit. The fabric JOC included in my kit was a yellow floral (LUV it) so I made a dress using the pattern in the booklet adding a collar. The dainty lace included was so sweet! On the mini dollie I painted her (adding clay arms attached to pipe cleaner pieces) and dressed her in a Barb Dean original, which fit perfect. :)

Peek if you like and I hope to cause other non-carvers to make some Dollys!

with bonnet on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hittygirls/photos/album/1775130138/pic/2033618863/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

without bonnet
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hittygirls/photos/album/1775130138/pic/583304591/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
Kind regards and Happy dolling! Thanks again Julie and mods for the darling kit!

 

The booklet is called Classic Clothespin Dolls. The instructions are very simple and she explains how to make dolls of all sizes, provides the patterns for the clothes and hats and also how to do the faces and different hair styles.

 

Elaine, Thanks for this info.. I am sooo new at the historical information of dolls.. I enjoy learning all I can.. I just assumed they were just dolls growing up, even though I loved mine... I never really understood until just a few years ago just how much there is to know about Dolls..